Is this the state of the Democratic Party?

The historic core of the party, the African Americans and the white female blocks are at each other's throats because each feels they have waited long enough and won't accept an honest defeat.





The Obama camp will likely win the pledged delegate count by 150-250, but it seems after Clinton essentially rubberstamping Ferraro's race card play, Clinton is willing to at worst play spoiler to Obama and try again in 2012 instead of 2016.





The Clinton camp will likely try to change the rules to get Florida and Michigan seated then get the superdelegates to vote to overturn the delegate count based on what they hope will be a narrow total vote count win.





Clinton made any dream ticket unviable.





It occurs to me that the end result of this is that McCain will win. The supreme court will go GOP for the next 30 years. Roe v. Wade will fall. The Iraq war will continue. Our infastructure will continue to break down. The recession will continue.





It is time for the party to step in.

Is this the state of the Democratic Party?
time for the party to step in and do what? i don't want to point fingers, but clinton has pretty much pushed it to the point of no return. she's run such a nasty campaign that there's no way these fractures can be healed. no matter who ends up winning, lots of people are going home disappointed.


if mccain ends up becoming president and the recession turns out to be something worse than the sort of structural correction that we're used to, it'll probably worsen into an actual depression (though no one will call it that) and he'll be a one term president anyway. he won't have any solutions other than the usual free-market crap that got us here in the first place.


but what happens then? if hillary is the nominee he's beaten, probably not much. the party will be moribund and lost. but if obama is the nominee he beats (and i think obama has a better chance in the general election anyway, as he won't be competing with mccain for the same pool of voters like hillary) the party will look and feel different than what we're used to. like the local conservative take-overs we saw in the aftermath of the "reagan revolution" i think an obama candidacy will energize the party in ways not seen in years. he brings more people in, period.


one warning though: there's probably a chance that at least some of hillary's blue collar support will convert to republican in the aftermath of an obama nomination. whether it'll be a sea change like in the aftermath of civil rights legislation in the 60s is another unknown.


the supreme court and infrastructure issues, i have no answer for those. maybe things just have to get a lot worse before they get better. as for roe v. wade, it's probably going to be resolved as a state's rights issue in the long run. another depressing thought i guess, but you knew that this question didn't really have a happy answer anyway, right?
Reply:the party should have been stepped in.





when obama won 11 straight, the party should have stepped in then.





but they have allowed hillary to further split the party in her ego-tripping madness for the nomination.





hillary has gone around endorsing john mccain, yet the party let her get away with it.





she has alienated african-americans, some of the party's staunchest constituents, with all her race-baiting comments coming from either bill, geraldine, or others in her camp. yet, the party let her get away with it.





many registered voters are defecting from the democrat party, myself included, yet the powers-that-be continue to allow hillary to get away with her nonsense.





they are allowing her to stir up trouble in MI and FL when the rules were already set up.





i'm sick and tired of the democrats and their lack of leadership.





and now they're going to allow hillary to continue her foolishness all the way to the convention.





john mccain will walk in because i'll be one of the first ones voting for him.
Reply:We have enough with the war crimminal Hitler Bush... and no more little songbirds genocide people in Iraq, Iran or Venezuela.
Reply:Actually, you are incorrect about the “historic core” of the party. The democratic party was the foundation of the KKK and most of the anti-civil rights efforts.





It was Republicans who nominated and elected Lincoln. It was Republicans who pushed through the Civil Right Act against stiff Democratic opposition. And it was a Republican president who sent the military in to protect blacks during efforts to desegregate schools. You might want to brush up on your history.





I think both democratic candidates are strong and will provide a tough fight for the Presidency. I don’t that the schism between white women and blacks would escalate to one side or the other not going to the polls, but then the Republicans have the same problem currently with the disenchantment felt by many Christian Conservatives. The question is can each party cobble together enough of a coalition within their party structure to win.
Reply:I hope you're right about McCain winning.





Remember he's NOT George W. Bush. He's much more liberal.
Reply:Denial. Confusion... or BOTH!
Reply:Of course Hillary is to blame, but you haven't seen anything yet. Republicans understand the Clintons but democrats seemed to have rationalized everything. Hillary will not drop out because if she wins all the big states that are left including Florida and Michigan she will have the delegates and the popular vote. I'm waiting for Obama to rationalize things when they steal things from under his nose. Wait and see. It will happen.
Reply:Cheers to that. You're completely speaking straight out of my brain.





Where is John Edwards? Where is Bill Richardson? Nancy Pelosi? Al Gore? This thing is spinning out of control and Hillary Clinton's only real end game is uprooting the democratic decision, and it's just getting uglier and uglier. This election is far too important to have the party self destruct.
Reply:Yes! This is the current state of the Dems, and a very good analysis of where things are currently headed. It's all because Howard Dean and the "party elites" don't have the balls to tell Bill Clinton he lost.
Reply:I fear you may be right....





But, one glimmer of hope...is during all of this turmoil...Hillary and Obama are all over the news....





People may even forget McCain is in the race.....so publicity, eventhough bad....maynot be deterimental when it keeps their names out there and in peoples consciences.
Reply:you can thank Hillary for this
Reply:White females have already received a win with Pelosi becoming Speaker of the House. It's time for a minority male.
Reply:Hillary Clinton would happily disenfranchise all those voters by using superdelegates to push her over the top. If that happens, I'm switching to the Independent Party and I'm going to write-in Obama's name for President in November.





If political insiders are going to take away the voters' decision, why does any of this matter?
Reply:Clinton and her supporters are the only ones to blame.
Reply:AMEN....





MCCAIN 08!!!
Reply:Its time for Obama to accept the offer of VP and quit tearing the party apart.


yo know, walk before you run


As you stated, the GOP will win----if he doesn't





How many ads with Louis Farrakhan do you think they will run?





I think its disgraceful the Black America has turned their backs on Hillary, as she has fought for civil rights for 30 years.





They did it because Barrak Obama is black.